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For Change Leave the age the same
Debate Score:197
Arguments:71
Total Votes:296
Ended:12/07/14
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Change the Current Driving Age

Currently the age in which a person drives is 16.

For Change

Side Score: 83
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Leave the age the same

Side Score: 114
Winning Side!
3 points

Going back to what 19brodgers said although they may just be delaying the time I think it should be changed to younger. Then you wouldn't have to keep taking your parents money and, making them pay off all the gas. You could get a job and start paying your parents rent. They have taking cared of you for 14 yrs.

Side: For Change
2 points

I think that the driving age should be move to a higher age. There are way too many accidents on the road with young drivers. According to JOHN M CRISP Scripps Howard News Service, his research shows that the drivers 15-17 years old cause the most accidents on the highway.

Side: For Change
19brogers(9) Disputed
5 points

I disagree, highway crashes and car crashes in general from teens, are mostly caused by inexperience. Not because of age. Stated by, "Driving age should not be raised"

Side: Leave the age the same
2 points

In many states you can get a drivers permit at around the age of 15, some states as go as young as 14. Those drivers have to log over 30 hours of driving time with a parent before receiving their full license. Lots of people around the country think that as long as you can get the hours in, and pass the test, you should be able to get your license at any age. One of the biggest reasons drivers get into accidents is because even though they’ve passed the test, their still inexperienced. So, why not just make younger people going for their license practice for longer, and if they pass the test, that proves that they’re just as same at the 16 year olds.

Side: For Change
2 points

“Look I'm fourteen and I know how to drive a truck, suv, and van as well as my father's for wheeler. I have never crashed or messed up. It's not the age that is the problem but the experience for there are some teenagers that don't know how to drive. Hello my sister is sixteen and doesn't even know how!! Also its the technology that is also the problem, everyone has a phone in my family except for me. My sister is on her phone all the time. It is hard for her to learn to drive for she is always distracted where it is easy for me for I am not. There are even adults who don't know how to drive so don't say the driving age should be raised for it is no the age but the experience.” Says a young boy on www.debate.org

Side: For Change
2 points

If your parents are sick and they cant go any ware you might half to get the groceries so you can eat.

Side: For Change
2 points

If you can prove that you are a safe driver, you should be granted the right to exercise your abilities on the road. It is obvious that not all teens are ready to drive at 14, which is why a more demanding test would separate those who are ready, from those who are not. It would make life a lot easier for parents, as well as teach responsibility to teens all across the US.

Side: For Change
2 points

It's not the age but the experience of the child.

so i think that 13 year olds should be included in drivers ed because the biggest thing is the inexpirence

Side: For Change
2 points

On Dec. 29, 2005, four teenage boys from Chicago went out for a drive late at night and had a terrible accident. The driver of car, spun and banged the car into a pole. Two of the boy- 16 and 17 years old- were dead. The driver, only 16 years old. Story provided by Representative John D’Amico. This shows the irresponsible acts of those kids. For all those kids out their 15-17 be careful.

Side: For Change
2 points

Novice teenage drivers have not yet completely mastered basic vehicle handling skills and safe-driving knowledge they need to drive safely.

For teenagers, the risk of being in a crash increases when they transport passengers-the fatality risk of drivers aged 16-17 years is 3.6 times higher when they are driving with passengers than when they are driving alone, and the relative risk of a fatal crash increases as the number of passengers increases.

The per mile crash rate for teenaged drivers is 3 times higher after 9:00 pm during the day. This is because the task of driving at night is more difficult; they have less experience driving at night than during the day.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/teenweb/more_btn6/traffic/traffic.htm

Side: For Change
1 point

We need to change the driving age! Why shouldn't it be lowered. Teenagers are more prone to crash but it doesn't mean that all teenagers are. Teen drivers aren't the only problem, what about all the intoxicated drivers and drugged drivers out there. Why not start paying more attention to them as well. It isn't the age that matters, I believe its the experience that counts.

Side: For Change
19peerenboom(3) Disputed
3 points

I disagree. I think the driving age should stay the same. 75% percent of teenagers that are driving are getting in accidents, and if it were to be changed, it would for sure cause more accidents. I found my evidence at: http://www.teendriversource.org/stats/teen/detail/57

Side: Leave the age the same
ChirstianK24(1) Disputed
1 point

Emma although you may think that with that fact it all depends on the child. There are kids out there who really keep there eye on the road! If we had more children like that then there wouldn't be so many accidents

Side: For Change

I think that the driving age should be 17. More than 6 million car accidents in a year make 40,000 or more deaths per year. Just in that 40000 the highest risk age group is 16 to 19-year olds. autos.com/driving-and-safety/car-crash-statistics-based-on-age-and-location. I think that this is a good reason for the age to get raised to at least 17. the age risk is 16 to 19 and 17 is one year older and the kids brains are more devolved and that will when you are a 16 year old..

Side: For Change
19gvanroy Disputed
4 points

Zack, You didn't even spell developed right. Why should we listen to you? So what if 17 year old's brains are more developed, that shouldn't change the amount of deaths! If anything, it would just save more 16 year olds and kill more 17 year olds. Plus, most adults start drinking at age 18 or so, this could cause more cases of drunk driving. (A. J. Rox)

Side: Leave the age the same
1 point

I think the current driving age should be raised. 16 year old drivers have lots of vehicle accidents. 16 year old drivers have more accidents than any other age group. says John M. Crisp, scripps Howard News Service.

Side: For Change
19gvanroy Disputed
3 points

Yes Ryan, 16 year old drivers have the most accidents of all age groups. But what do you expect? When you first learned to walk, i'm sure you fell a lot. But now, you don't fall anymore. Why is that? Because you now have experience with walking. Same with driving, the "toddlers" of the drivers are of course the 16 year old's. Accidents happen to everyone and especially the un-experienced drivers.

Side: Leave the age the same
1 point

I think that 13 year old should be able to drive. I am a responsible 14 year old and just because others MIGHT do badly doesn't mean we all would. My mom has a really bad sprain can barely drive, but if i was able to i could have driven her where she needed to go. www.debate.org

Side: For Change
19gvanroy Disputed
1 point

Christian. Some 14 year olds cannot reach the pedals. That would not work for the shorter kids.

Side: Leave the age the same
ChirstianK24(1) Disputed
2 points

Grace you may say that some 14 year old childeren are to small to reach the pedals so they should just add something to have them reach it or just have them move the seat up!

Side: Leave the age the same
19peerenboom(3) Disputed
1 point

I am 13 years old. And I can not safely reach the pedals. If I had to try to be able to see outside the window, and be able to reach the pedals easily. And even though people might say then if you can't reach it, don't drive. But do you think that is gonna stop people? No. If people have the power to do something why wouldn't you. Some people might stop driving, but others won't.

Side: Leave the age the same
1 point

More accidents happen from a drunk 21 yr. old then a sixteen year old. When You are younger you feel like you don't want to screw up or the whole world will look down on you. When you get older you don't care anymore

Side: For Change
19djohnson2(1) Disputed
3 points

That isn't true because a sixteen year old can be as harmful as a 21 year old.

Side: Leave the age the same

If you go to college and the age is raised you would not be able to go you half to have your parents bring you to and from college.

Side: For Change
19djohnson2(1) Disputed
2 points

Wouldn't you just stay at collage because most colleges have dorms that you stay in.

Side: Leave the age the same
zvanderhyden(11) Disputed
1 point

how could you get home my bruther came home every weekend to go fishing and hunting

Side: For Change
zvanderhyden(11) Disputed
1 point

how could you get home my bruther came home every weekend to go fishing and hunting

Side: For Change
19acurtin(8) Disputed
1 point

What is your claim? You didn't even state your claim. That's how invalid your argument was. Was that to lippy?

Side: Leave the age the same
1 point

Some kids are responsible at the age if 15. I think that a solution should be that teens get their driving test when they are turning 15 so if they are ready they should get the opportunity to drive. If they are not ready then they should have another test in 6 months. There are many responsible 15 year olds according to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Side: For Change
1 point

The only way to become a better driver is to practice, and study the rules of the road. If you are committed to these things you should be granted the right to drive. If at any point, this licensed teen driver fails to follow the law, a license suspension can be enforced, guaranteeing safe roads.

Side: For Change
1 point

It is not just teens crashing cars, it is adults to. The government blame the car crashing rates all on us teens. Some teens are actually very mature. Just because some teens crash at the age of 16 doesn't mean to blame it all on us. Adults crash cars to. They have to take responsibility to. Because its not just teenagers causing accidents and not all teenagers are irresponsible.

Side: For Change
1 point

More accidents will happen by older people than younger. When your younger you will not want to screw up and keep your eye on the road!

Side: For Change
1 point

On a yearly average there are 25,000 fatal car accidents every year, 14% of those accidents include a teen driver. The main cause of those accidents is the experience that teen drivers lack. And Driving can also teach kids responsibility. Teens without their license have a hard time getting a job because their lack of transportation. If they were given their license at a younger age than they could help pay for things rather than dipping into their parents wallet. If their family were to work on a farm, they could help move bags of feed and do chores like that. plus other than just helping out the family, it will help out themselves as well. Driving teaches you to pay attention to the road and adjust to the people driving around them. Those lessons can help out in other real life situations. It teaches you how to react to other people, driving, or not.

Side: For Change
0 points

I think that the driving age should be lowered because if your parents get very sick then how will you ever get your food?

Side: For Change
19brogers(9) Disputed
5 points

Kids/teens most likely will find another way for food. Friends, neighbors, relatives, etc. In my opinion, this is not a good argument.

Side: Leave the age the same
19acurtin(8) Disputed
4 points

I disagree with you because if a parent was getting really sick they would know ahead of time that they're getting sick. You don't just wake up one morning and bam you're instantly sick. Even if that did happen you have friends and family who do it for you. Worst comes to worst you can go three weeks without food and I doubt they would be sick that long. If you're starving i'm pretty sure you can walk.

Side: Leave the age the same
19ktyynismaa Disputed
2 points

There are other family members or anyone else, you are just putting yourself in danger because of how young we are we are not fully developed in strength. Can't your sister just go and do it since she is 16 and legal to drive?

Side: Leave the age the same
0 points

Driving is a thing we do on a daily basis. On a yearly average there are 25,000 fatal car accidents every year, and only 14% of those accidents include a teen driver. The main cause of those accidents is the experience that teen drivers lack. Most states require about 50 hours of driving before you can get your license and you still have to pass the exam, but if the driving age is lowered we could raise the requirements.

Side: For Change
0 points

ALL OF MY SOURCES FOR DEBATE.ORG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: For Change
0 points

Too many 15 to 17 year old drivers get in accidents. Between 1995 and 2004, there were 30917 fatalities in accidents that involving 15 to 17 year old drivers. Says AAA foundation for traffic safety

Side: For Change
19ktyynismaa Disputed
2 points

So does that mean that you should take the driving age of 16 away for all of us?

Side: Leave the age the same
-1 points

Many drivers in the range 15-17 have been involved in accidents, 30,917 of them, from the years 1995-2004 as said by Representative John D’Amico. Their brains just are not developed until they are in their early 20's. This is why many 15-17 years old just are not ready to drive on the roads as said by John M. Crisp, Scripps Howard News Service.

Side: For Change
19acurtin(8) Disputed
6 points

What are you suggesting? Changing the age until they're 21? So they can just drink and drive. Also some kids want to go to college and how are they going to get their in the first place?

Side: Leave the age the same
4 points

I believe that the driving age should stay the same at 16. I believe the driving age should this for three reasons. People are busy according to the article "Driving Age Should Not Be Raised", most kids and adults have committed to many different activities and many parents have to take more than one of the children to each activity. Also most kids start to work at the age of sixteen and are able to get their by driving, if kids won’t be able to drive kids will not get as many jobs, and won't be able to participate in as many activities. Raising the driving limit will not decrease deaths from crashes according to the "Article Driving Age Should Not Be Raised", going of of 19brodgers driving is based on experience and being able to make good choices. When 16 year olds crash it is usually because of inexperience raising the age limit to say 18 will not change the reason of crashing most of the time, it will stay about the same. If we raise the driving limit to 18 the death rate will increase about as much as it would if we kept the driving limit 16. Changing the driving age would punish everyone according to the article "Should The Driving Age Be Raised To 18", If your neighbor robs a bank should you go to jail? (NO), if your classmate gets into an accident should you get your license taken away? (NO). Raising the driving age will punish all young drivers for the mistakes other people have made. Many people think teens driving is dangerous before many of them get to prove themselves, teens birthday matters on which you are more dangerous or less dangerous why is that? Studies show that inexperience, not age, that causes accidents. I strongly believe that the driving age should stay the same at 16 because people are busy, Raising the driving limit will not decrease deaths from crashing, and lastly changing the driving age would punish everyone.

Side: Leave the age the same
4 points

Do you want to put MORE kids in danger??!! I didn't think so. When you raise the driving age the death rate will just increase! The article, "Driving Age Should Not Be Raised" clearly states that if you change the driving age, "This means that the death rate of 18 year olds will increase, while the death of 16-year-old death rate; will increase. We are not helping the cause by raising the driving age we are just delaying the time they will die." It also says that, "Studies also show that risky behavior affects 16-17 year old males just as much as in their early 20’s... If 16-17 year olds don't go on dates until they are 18, they will start to date a lot in college. This could get in the way of the most important schooling of their lives.”

"Also most kids start working when they are about 16, how are they supposed to get to work?" is a very good reason that, "Driving Age Should Not Be Raised," it said. “Kids will not get many jobs, and, this could lead to less fast food restaurants, and kids not learning how to work hard. This will affect America for the worse.” They aren't wrong kids need to start work at a younger age to increase responsibility and learn the meaning of a dollar bill.

I have a question for you. "If your neighbor robs a bank, should you go to jail? No. If your classmate gets into an accident, should you get your driver’s license taken away? Of course not. Neither situation is fair.” What this is saying is that it's not our fault or the laws for the reckless driving of some teens. And if they push it to far they should get the consequence not ALL of us. "Raising the driving age will punish all young drivers for the mistakes of a few of their peers," says the article, "Should The Driving Age Be Raised To 18?"

For the mistakes of a couple young teens we don't all need to get punished for it. And not letting young kids get to the places they need? Not cool. And last, do you want the death rate to increase? Don't change the driving age for everyone if some people didn't do anything.

Side: Leave the age the same
3 points

I believe the driving age should stay the same. One of my reasons is that it only delays death for a short period of time. According to A.J. Rox "Driving age should not be raised" most underage drinking starts at the age 18. So if the driving age where to be raised, to lets say 18, there will be a lot more accidents with drinking. According to Dr. Brett Stevenson your brain isn't even fully developed until your in your 20's. So if you raised it, it isn't making that much of a difference. Therefore the driving age should stay the same.

Side: Leave the age the same
President Disputed
1 point

this A J Rox stuff is mentioned over and over again. If you want to win a debate use knew stuff not stuff already mentioned.

Side: For Change
3 points

I believe that the driving age should stay the same because raising the driving age will not solve any highway problems says Raising minimum driving age is modest statement, Many people have died because they are texting while driving, drunk driving, and blowing through red lights so its not just 16 through 18 year olds who do that kind of stuff.

Side: Leave the age the same
3 points

Parents don't have time to chauffeur their kids around town. Teens have dates, jobs, school, dances, and just spending time with friends to do. “Its inconvenient for me as a parent to drive my kids around, at 16, they are already almost adults, and they should be able to handle the responsibility of driving themselves around.” (Mr. Hermus, Parent of 3)

Side: Leave the age the same
3 points

Even though your brain isn't fully developed at 16 and is more developed at 18, your brain is not fully developed until your early 20’s from the article "Driving Age Should Not Be Raised". Changing the driving age to 18 would not change risky behaviors practiced by teenagers. ChristianK24 as you mature you think about your actions more seriously and realize how your actions can affect your future, as well as other's futures.

Side: Leave the age the same
19rpoulsen Disputed
1 point

So are you saying the driving age should be raised? Sounds like you are.

Side: For Change
3 points

Also, if you make the driving age higher, it is harder for transportation. According to "Driving age should not be changed" lots of teens go on dates, dances, school events, and working a job. These things would be very hard to get to and always having to get a ride. It would be very annoying for the driver and the teen. In addition, some parents would not be able to drive their teen everywhere because of a long hour job. So they would have to find a person to take their teen places, and probably even have to pay that person for taking their child everywhere.

Side: Leave the age the same
3 points

You are able to choose if you are ready at the age of 16 to drive. Not everyone is ready and mature enough to take that responsibility but most people are. Changing the driving age would mark everyone the same even if they are ready or not.

Side: Leave the age the same
19mmullard(1) Clarified
1 point

https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/3084/ my source for my argument above

Side: For Change
2 points

I think that the driving age should stay the same because changing it to 18 doesn't change the fact that it is going to reduce drunk driving and car accidents.

Side: Leave the age the same
zvanderhyden(11) Disputed
2 points

I think that if you have it be 18 you will still get the same amount of drunk driving as when it is 16 all of the people are still going to be drinking weather it is 16 or 18.

Side: For Change
President Disputed
2 points

Going from before having the driving age changed or gone up because their will be more people with more developed brains and more focused on driving rather than hanging with friends.John M. Crisp, Scripps Howard News Service

Side: For Change
President Disputed
1 point

There is no Ethos or Logos. You need more facts to support your evidence.

Side: For Change
2 points

I believe that the age does not make a difference, so why raise it? According to the article "Driving age should not be raised", crashes are not caused by age, but based on being able to make good choices and having experience. If they change it to 16 or above, most likely the crashing rate will be the same because of inexperience.

Side: Leave the age the same
19rpoulsen Disputed
3 points

you say age doesn't matter, but I think it does because as they get older they will be more wise so they will be able to make better choices like wearing a seat belt. According to rmiia.org/auto/teens, In 2011, 39 percent of male drivers age 15 to 20 who were involved in fatal crashes were speeding at the time of the crash. So if they are older they won't speed.

Side: For Change
2 points

I believe the driving age should stay the same

because having them start driving when they're 18 they're not saving them from crashes they're just delaying the time they die. Stated by A.J. Rox

Side: Leave the age the same
2 points

I agree because raising the driving age doesn't mean they are going to raise the time that they get into crashes or die.

Side: Leave the age the same
19jschiessl Disputed
2 points

You say that age doesn't matter, it how the driver is driving. I think that If you compare a adult that is 30 years old and then you put a 16 year older behind the wheel there will be a big difference. If there is a 30 year old driver then they would have a lot more experience then a 16 year old. Experience matters. According to the webiste http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Side: For Change
2 points

Another reason that the driving age should stay the same is because, parents can't bring around there kids everywhere. According to A.J. Rox in the article "Driving age should not be raised" Having to get driven around could get in the way of most important schooling in their life's. If they need to get extra help after school, and there parents work, they most likely will have to ride to get home. Another people such as Mr. Hermus and my parents would not like to drive around there children to social events.That is why I think social events gets in the way of kids having a social life.

Side: Leave the age the same
2 points

What's the point in changing the age when no matter what bad things are going to happen even when someone is 48 years old?! So now are you going to change he age to 50? “If your neighbor robs a bank, should you go to jail? No. If your classmate gets into an accident, should you get your driver’s license taken away? Of course not. Neither situation is fair.” says the article "Driving Age Should Not Be Raised." Why should we get the age raised for something someone that may be 48 did?!

Side: Leave the age the same
2 points

Also, people 18 or older are more obligated to drink alcohol, which can lead to drunk driving. Yes some teens do drink alcohol, but not nearly as much as people 18 or older.

Side: Leave the age the same