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Debate Score:63
Arguments:53
Total Votes:67
Ended:12/07/14
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Change Culturally Insensitive Mascots

Some people/cultures take offense to current mascots, such as the Redskins, Arabs, or Indians.

For Change

Side Score: 33
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Against Change

Side Score: 30
2 points

I think schools or professional sports teams should change their logo/mascot/name if it is a sensitive or derogatory term used against a group of people of a different race, gender, or religion.

Side: For Change
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

You do not have any support from any website saying if they care if a sports teams care about them naming that after them. Your argument is all your opinion.

Side: Against Change
GavinMcbear(6) Disputed
1 point

What if that mascot name is part of their City heritage? Why should they change it, if one person doesn't like the name tell them to deal with it? Isn't that what your parents always tell you suck it up!

Side: Against Change
2 points

Some mascots should be changed because some schools are mocking the cultures and it's offensive to people. In the article "Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture", Mr.Cooper took his daughter to a high school football game and a cheerleader came running out of the field wearing a Native American headdress and buckskin clothing. His daughter was so offended that she asked to leave and tears filled her eyes.

Side: For Change
19tmancheski(3) Disputed
0 points

Mr. Wollin is saying that we should change huge name mascots to other things just because a small group of people find them offensive, but I disagree, because if everyone in the world had their way the whole world would be in chaos, people would be fighting with everyone.

By the way Trade_Mark is Timothy Mancheski

Side: Against Change
19mwelch(6) Disputed
1 point

Mr.Mancheski is saying that we shouldn't change the mascots if a small group of people find it offensive, because if everyone got their way the world would be in anarchy almost. But I say that mascots should be changed if their found offensive, or as some people refer to them as 'legalized racism'. As stated in the article "Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture"

Side: For Change
2 points

I think people should change sports/schools logos and mascot names because to many people, it is offensive. Some examples of these are: the Chiefs, the Braves and the Redskins. They all have the name of a Native American Indian Tribe. Each American Indian tribe across the United States, has its own culture and traditions. Yet many American Indian mascots wear feathered headdresses and war paint. Opponents of these mascots say they show American Indian culture in a cartoonish way. Mr. Cooper, a full-blooded American Indian from Adrian, said "When you look at sports teams, you see a lot of animals and Indians. We’re tired of being part of that category and more and more of us are starting to stand up.”

Side: For Change
2 points

"We do not deserve to be called redskins," Oneida Nation Representative Ray Halbritter says in the ad. "We deserve to be treated as what we are -- Americans." This is a really good argument toward changing the mascots because we aren't 'red'skinned so we shouldn't be called the 'redskins' that supports our football team! Deserving to be treated as what we are, means to be treated like an American, and accepting our American culture.

Side: For Change
1 point

They Have to Change it is Sad Because is Just The Fact That They Have to Change the racial one they could of just had a good mascot and not have to change it. They Stanford University old and now mascot, St. John’s University mascot change and the Illinois University mascot change, on article "Honer or Insult?"

Side: For Change
2 points

Wisconsin recently made a big change by allowing bans on logos, nicknames, and mascots based on the Native Americans and race says Scholastic News Honor or Insult.

Side: For Change
19zolson(4) Disputed
1 point

People say that mascots are offensive to the tribes, but I say that they aren't because It would be an honor to for a professional team or school to be named after you. If someone is honoring your tribe or name it would be a good thing for the Natives. This is why I think that schools or teams shouldn't change there mascots.

Side: Against Change
19twollin(5) Disputed
2 points

Why is it always Native Americans being used as mascots? Why is it never a different race?

Side: For Change
1 point

If well known schools have changed their Mascots/Logos/Names to accommodate the wishes of the community. Schools such as Stanford University gave in to the students complaints and comments of the 'Indian' mascot and the team name 'The Indians'. Which was found offensive toward Native American tribes. In 1972, the Mascot changed to the letter 'S' and the team name was changed to 'The Cardinals'. Then in 1974, Dartmouth University followed suit, changing their team name from 'The Indians' to 'The Big Green'. And recently, in 2078 Arkansas State changed their mascot from 'The Indians' to 'The Red Wolf'. If schools known nation-wide are able to change their mascots that appear on everything from the gymnasium floor to water bottles, from the front of the schools sign to team apparel sold in stores across the nation, then Professional sports teams that are looked up to by young kids, should be able to change.

Source #2: Article "Mind Your Own Mascot"

Supporting Evidence: Source #1 (www.usatoday.com)
Side: For Change
1 point

The resist one’s are really taking it far by really bad stereotypes and it is a disrespect to religion or culture and they may think they are not welcome to the U.S.A. The Washington Redskins Indian Thing With The Mascot it is Over Exaggerating

Side: For Change
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

Many of the sports teams and schools name there mascots after something that means a lot to the team. They do not do it to make fun of the African Americans, it is to honor them. Roder Godell also added that 9 out of 10 African Americans like being named after them.

Side: Against Change
19ayoung(5) Disputed
1 point

Ok Juan there are no teams that have really RACIST names and there is a limit on how bad it is. Name one team that has a really racist name, and one that has ALWAYS been a problem not just now.

Side: Against Change
1 point

Abel Cooper is a full blood Native American he taught his children to respect warriors because they are veterans of battle. So when he took his daughter to a High school football game and a cheerleader came running onto the field wearing a Native American headdress and buckskin clothing he said his daughter was on the verge of tears. "That girl doesn't know that every feather in that headdress would have been earned in battle. She wouldn't know that each one represents a life that was taken. She was making mockery of us." It is sad to say that so many people don't know that the headdress is honorary for example and like the Washington Redskins show an angry red skinned Indian. It shows a very negative stereotype and many of the Sioux tribe want it changed. But on the other hand the Florida Seminoles is strongly defended by many members of the surrounding tribes. The nickname the Indians has been a school mascot for 88 years in Mukwonago school district and has never been requested to be changed until now. But more often then not it is offensive like in Coachella Valley High school their name is the Arabs. It showed a Arabian man in a turban with a scimitar a big beard hooked nose and a gold tooth. The dispute has been going on for years but it has been more out because the way they are shown is offensive to peoples religion.

Side: For Change
19cwalbrun(9) Disputed
1 point

Yes, but a lot of Native Americans or people who are represented by a mascot are happy, even honored by it.

Side: Against Change
19ayoung(5) Disputed
1 point

Yes but there are those who are offended and who would it hurt if they changed it? If anything it is makeing those who are offended happy. But on the other hand if the name has been thats schools name for a long time and nobody has made a problem untill now then whats the point to change? I see your point.

Side: For Change
19twollin(5) Disputed
1 point

Who's a lot of Native Americans? How would you know? Where is your proof or evidence?

Side: For Change
19dsedlacek(3) Disputed
1 point

Where did you get this information nothing in this is credible and its to long its a random story and its not really telling you anything about it. Its the first half of your argument its a waste of time.

Side: Against Change
1 point

The resist one’s are really taking it far and it is a disrespect to religion or culture like The Washington Redskins is like a big stereotypical.

Side: For Change
GavinMcbear(6) Disputed
1 point

Juan they are not being stereotypical but honoring the Native American culture in the United States. Native Americans were a big part of United States Culture. Therefore I believe people in the United States are not being racist but honoring the Native Americans.

Side: Against Change
1 point

Mr.Cooper and five other Native American descent spoke on a panel Wednesday night about the use of Native American names in sports. "When you look at sports teams, you see a lot of animals and Indians. Native Americans are highly offended says Mr.Cooper

Side: For Change
2 points

Mackenzie says that schools with culturally intensive mascots should change their mascots, but I disagree, because just four schools from Houston Texas changed their mascots and it ended up costing Taxpayers over $250,000 just to change that, just so a small group could have their way.

Side: Against Change
1 point

I believe that some people are so focused on the negatives of teams mascots names. Instead of always being negative look at the positive in having a Insensitive mascot name. Mukwongo high school was the first to defend their mascot name the Indians. Mukwongo high school believe that they are not being racist, but honoring Native Americans culture, Says Cover Story news article.

Side: Against Change
19twollin(5) Disputed
1 point

It's promoting negative stereotypes says Barbara Munson. Barbara is a member of the Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin.

Side: For Change
19mwelch(6) Disputed
1 point

'Abel Cooper remembers taking his daughter to a high school football game once and watching as a cheerleader came running onto the field wearing what looked like a Native American headdress and buckskin clothing..... Mr. Cooper, a full-blooded American Indian, said his daughter became so offended, her eyes filled with tears and she asked if they could leave. "I taught my children to respect warriors because they are veterans of battle," Mr. Copper said. "That girl doesn't understand that every feather in that headdress would have been earned in battle. She wouldn't know that each one represents a life that was taken. (The cheerleader) was making a mockery of us."' Says Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture.

"When you look at sports teams, you see a lot of animals and Indians," Said Mr. Cooper. "We're tired of being in that category and more and more of us are starting to stand up."'

Side: For Change
1 point

I think that having a native mascot as a school name or a professional teams are good because I say and other people say it is honoring the Native American Culture. The Mukwonago school district was the first in the state to defend there schools nickname, the Indians. Also school officials argued that the name has been in place for 86 years. They say it has a deep meaning in the community.

Side: Against Change
1 point

I think that schools should keep there mascot name because if they change it, it could not make sense or not go with the background of the town/city. For example the Green Bay Packers, if they changed there name to something like the Green Bay Gators it doesn't really make sense to the back round because Wisconsin doesn't have gators or anything to do with gators.

Side: Against Change
1 point

I think that school mascots should not be changed. First reason why it should not be changed is because when a team names there school after Indians, is not because they are trying to make fun of then it is because they are honoring them. Roger Goodell also said that 9 out of 10 Indians want to keep the name the same. It would not also make sense for a school/team to name there team after something that does not mean a lot to them. Many sports teams might also say that the name Redskins is making fun of the Indians skin color, but sports/schools do not make fun of the Indians it is to honor them.

Side: Against Change
1 point

San Diego University Aztecs did a vote about changing the school name and mascot, 95% of the of the student body backed the Aztec name.

Side: Against Change
19mwelch(6) Disputed
1 point

Mr. Chitko that does not mean that any of those students were of the Aztec ethnicity. Let me ask you this, if the name does not have anything against them why should they want to change it?

Side: For Change
1 point

Also going off of the mascots being insensitive, I think that a lot of the people who's culture is represented by a mascot or name are fine with it. Such as the Florida State Seminoles. “Florida State University was allowed to keep the mascot of the seminoles because of the close relationship between the team and the Seminole Tribe of Florida.” The Seminole Tribe thought that the name honored them.

Source:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/controversial-sports-mascots n4372837.html

Side: Against Change
1 point

These Native Mascots are not trying to insult anyone! They made these school names to honor or Natives and past history. North Dakota University keeping fighting today to keep there nickname, of the Sioux tribe. Even a member or the Sioux tribe, Eunice Davidson, told the New York times, "I am very very honored that that they would use our name for there official school mascot." Not even the tribe member himself thinks that the mascots are insulting to the Native American Cultures.

Side: Against Change
19ayoung(5) Disputed
1 point

If they are'nt trying to insult people then they should'nt have a problem changeing the name because it is insluting people.

Side: For Change
1 point

Former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke says "I admire the Redskins name. I think it stands for bravery, courage, and a stalwart spirit and I see no reason why we shouldn't continue to use it."

I got that off wikipedia

Side: Against Change
19ayoung(5) Disputed
1 point

Derek says that the owner admires the name but that is A: Off of wickipedia. B: He is not an African American or Indian and C: Its just one man.

“It’s unacceptable in the 21st century, and I wish the owner of the Washington football team and the NFL would realize that,” said Brian Cladoosby, the chairman of Washington state’s Swinomish Indian Tribal Community. Cladoosby is also the president of the National Congress of American Indians. “You wouldn’t come up to me and say, ‘Hey, Redskin, how you doing today?’"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/14/208627/tribes-want-congress-to-ban-redskins.html#storylink=cpy

Side: For Change
19dsedlacek(3) Disputed
1 point

A: you spelled wikipedia wrong B: African Americans have nothing to do with Native Americans so that's not a valid argument C: He is one guys but everyone in your argument is talking about Abel Cooper and hes one guy that been brought like 6 times.

Side: Against Change
19mwelch(6) Disputed
1 point

To Mr. Cooke it may seem to stand for, 'bravery, courage, and a stalwart spirit.' Red Mesa High School in Arizona, a primarily Native American school, agreed that use of the word, redskins, outside American Indian communities should be avoided because it could perpetuate “the legacy of negativity that the term has created.” Meaning, that it could create negative stereotypes, and young children who cheer for this team, are cheering for the scalps of Native Americans, WHICH WERE SOLD AMONG FUR PELTS! The Native American Rights Organization says that to them, the word 'Redskins' is called the R-word, which is just as bad as some defining words for African Americans.

Side: For Change
19twollin(5) Disputed
1 point

"You're not honoring them.... you're offending them." in article "Proud of it"

Side: For Change
19jrojas(4) Disputed
1 point

People can change the answers Wikipedia so that might not be right.

Side: For Change
1 point

The Washington Redskins are also receive support from fans about their teams mascots name."Debate.org says that their is nothing wrong with celebrating and honoring our country's heritage.Next the "Washington Redskins" are saying that people are showing their pride of Native Americans, also they are just supporting their country's different cultures in the US.Information - Source:Debate.org, and the Washington Redskins organization.

Side: Against Change
1 point

Mascot names are meant to intimidate other teams and inspire their own , says Amar Patel

Side: Against Change
1 point

People are being little bit overboard on this whole mascot name. The Native Americans anymore than the Tiger mascot"mocks" animals; any more than the Trojan mascot "mocks"the culture of Ancient Culture; any more than the ascot from Indiana," mocks" the people from Indiana!Source: Debate.com

Side: Against Change
1 point

The other problem with changing mascots is that it would cause more problems than it would solve. Many people would protest, because mascots have deep meanings to many communities. It really wouldn't be logical to change a mascot and name, which could cost thousands of dollars, just to satisfy a small group of people that may not have anything to do with the school at all.

Side: Against Change
1 point

People who are so worried about the change of mascot names. " The golden rule is never mess with another man mascots. If the school has a culture about their mascot name let them keep the name. Many people believe the mascots are honoring, the Native American not insulting them! Sources: Honor or Insult Article from Cover Story, Article Mind Your Own Mascot.

Side: Against Change
0 points

But I disagree because not all people who are represented by mascots are offended. Members of the Spirit Lake Sioux tribe were for the North Dakota State University's nickname, the Fighting Sioux. Eunice Davidson, a member of the tribe said to a New York Times news reporter "I am very, very honored that they would use the name."

Side: Against Change